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Just remember one thing, you can only shoot one gun at a time -2 if your real good:)

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2 Months ago I could have bought RPK rifles for $375 each.

Today they're running $499+ if you can locate one.

Centerfire Systems is nearly out of all its AK's with a few available on backorder.........still,

GUNS is MONEY !!!! (doin' better than GOLD right now) :wink:

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So buy as much ammo (and mags) as your floor can reasonably hold without caving in.

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Hey TA,
Have you listened to that Ron Paul audio link on that other thread by "Stacks" ?
Just askin' ;
goes along with your comments generally.
Regards,
Haystackneedle

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Yep, a lady I work with saw an M-4 with an EoTech sight on it during a tour of a local air base last year. She couldn't believe it when I told her civilians could buy this stuff - the only difference is it's not full auto.

She's been waffling about what to get since then, and I told her last week that if she wants an AR or AK, she better get one NOW - and if she wasn't sure about what she wanted, to get one of each. If she didn't like one, she could likely sell it for a handsome profit.

Did she? Nope. You can lead a horse to water....

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Sounds like someone put SAEs in them.

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What type of of AR Mags should I stock up on?

That are guarnteed to be money makers latter on.

Any suggestions???


T

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TA,
I have bought a ton of these for stockpiling purposes (you can never have too many!) http://www.44mag.com/prodinfo.asp?number=DH30D
For shooting, I use the pmags. I find the USGI ones cut of my fingers when I load them.
http://www.44mag.com/prodinfo.asp?number=MAG211

Now I need to find a decent AK to add to my collection. Just picked up a russian sks with gold bayonet. Big pimpin!

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Try this site: http://palmettostatearmory.com/magpul-30-window.php

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Thanks I will do some research on them tommarow.

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Cheaper than dirt had a SWEET DEAL on 50 round boxes of +p+ 9MM hollowpoint Federal ammo for 15.59........ that same box is 20.20 and climbing.

I feel your pain.



Quick question what are "stripper clips" used for??

T

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I have a feeling gun/ammo prices will ebb in about 6 months when the buyers are done paying high premiums and the dealers have to draw back buyers to the table. I don't seen any firearm legislation in the first part of 2009 or perhaps not even until 2010. They have way to many other things they want to get done.

I say if you can't find it locally at a reasonable price, then just sit on the dry powder for 6 months.

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SAIGA :ok:

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Thats a very plausible theroy SLV.

I hope your right.


T

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TA, living in NY gives you the privilege of not being allowed to own 30-rd magazines unless they are pre-ban. I highly advise not purchasing any mags over 10 round capacity unless they are data stamped prior to Sept 1994.

I found a bunch for sale at good prices over on the AR15.com web site.

And as for the Saiga- try other places, maybe this one: http://www.armsofamerica.com/firearms/saigarifles.html

And have them ship to a local FFL.

I bought my Saiga from Atlantic Firearms a few years ago but now they expensive there

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Oh, damn, here we go again. I sed SDFU about the 9BPLE-arrite? Dese peeple can git der own stuff. Don' put out MY sooper secret info! 9mm sux!!! u don' wan' it!!! SUX!!!! 9mm! SUX-'specially the new lower priced 9BPLE Federal white box stuff at a new lower price that I just 2 days ago enjoyed the receipt thereof. SUX!!!!!

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The way things are headed, a few extra won't hurt. Like they say, diversify.

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Another Saiga source: https://www.gilbertsguns.com/store/p...141/index.html

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If you are is SoCal, check these guys out: http://www.coldwarshooters.net/

They got 7.62 Saigas for $399. I know, I was at the shop on Monday the 3rd.

They'll ship to your FFL if you can't make it to their shop.

If you live in SoCal, this is the best place to get black rifles.

I just picked up a Elk River AK and might go back for a Dragunov if possible.....

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I like these HK 30 round steel magazines with "Maritime" coating if you can find them:

http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/11...x470733781.jpg

http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/11...x470733734.jpg

Are they expensive? Yes, they are. They are hands down the best magazine on the market. Sure you can buy a few cheap ones for the price you pay for one of these.. But I am more interested in purchasing something that will last a lifetime and I will keep and use no matter what AR / M-4 / M-16 platform I happen to own at the time. They also look the best on your rifle. :biggrin:

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TA you wanna know what REALLY pisses me off about local gun stores. You try to support them, versus going on line, and they treat you like you should be thankful for their existence.... I still can't figure that crap out....:confused_m:

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ColdWarShooters had a bunch of Saigas, M4gerys, AKs, and other nice guns at the gunshow in Del Mar the last time I was there.

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Agree with this, but who knows what will happen...we shall see. I'm sitting on my dry powder for now.

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Just bought a stripped lower receiver from Budsgunshop for $125 shipped, plus $20 to my FFL, so $145 total price. 3 days ago they were selling them for $100 shipped.

Thought about buying a few extra, but didnt. I will probably be kicking myself over that decision in a year or so.

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I read some where maybe .........survial blog.......... LR's are going to fectching a sweet preimum if they reinstitute a AWB part 2


Do they have serial number on them??? where do you buy Upper reciever from??


T

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This is why I bought my Saiga on the morning of the election. I knew they would increase the prices. Maybe I should stop by and see if I can still get a 20" barrel 7.62x39 for $309 + tax.

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I really do think that anti gun legislation in near the top of their list. I'm not putting anything past those people.

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Lower receivers are considered the firearm. They are the only part of the ar-15 that is registered. They do have a serial number. Once you have a stripped lower (which is just a small square box of metal, basically), you can order all the parts you need to complete your AR-15 through the mail.

Here is a good site that sells all the other parts needed
http://www.m-aparts.com/

I am sure there are many more, but thats just one off the top of my head. You can look online at ar15.com/forums and get more info, but the site is infested with neocon bootlickers.

Another thing, you can legally buy an 80% complete stripped lower and complete it yourself, and there is no requirement to register it. You cannot sell it, however.

Here is a post on ar15.com about that

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=210572

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I found some more info. Apparently there is a site that sells frames for 1911's that you can finish yourself as well. Pretty cool. Unfortunately I dont have the skills or the tools to do it myself.

http://www.ktordnance.com/kto/products.php

An even cooler thing about that site, they prefer to be paid in silver or gold!!!

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AIM SURPLUS seems to still have AMD-65's (AK variant) for $439

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/H...ood_stock.html

Sounds cheap since most AK's are rocketing to $500 and $600 each now.

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Wow..........

Good stuff.


T

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they are out of stock.

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dammit ! :banghead: :rant: :banghead: :banghead: :bear_cry:

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Now why dosent that surprise me the least bit???


T

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out of stock on the 12 and 7.62


And the 308's are moving fast.


T

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I was looking around Ammo to go has the same overstock.........and the price is still 15 bucks!!!

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...t-ammo/sort/2a

You can pick it up in blocks of a thousand if you want.

I just saved you 5 bucks now THERE:tongue_ma:


T

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for me its come down to surfing all the gun forums and looking for whoever is close by that needs cash.

monday seen someone 40 miles from me wanted to sell a 3 screw ruger blackhawk 357 ASAP asking $450 emailed him said $300 cash now-got a email back from him in 2 seconds if I want it meet him on a dirt road about 20 miles north grab the cash and out the door.

Sat on dirt road for about 5 min. and he pulls up hands me the gun hand him the cash. both leave 3 seconds later.
later I find out that it has not been converted ( if not converted you must keep the hammer on a empty chamber) its even worth more money not being converted.

plus Wednesday I shot a hog with it. got to love those florida hogs open all year and no license required and no limit.

anyways the point of this post I will do anything to get a deal on a gun they are only going to be going up.

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I can't believe all of the people in this thread that would waste good money on a piece of junk AK. They make them so loose you have to be within 25 yards to hit a car-sized target.

Get yourself a real rifle like the ones used by our armed forces. Do you really think a bunch of Ruskies and rag-heads can build a better rifle than we can?

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Uh......yes......and it won't JAMB ! :tongue_ma:

FWIW - my AK at 25 yards places groups the size of a quarter which is much smaller than a car.

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My Yugo's will shoot 5 inches groups at 100 yards.

So unless I'm facing midgets I'm good.

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I really like the Magpul Polymer magazines. They seem to be nearly indestructible, and are not that much more than regular mags. A lot of guys on different forums have put them through torture tests (even shooting holes in the mags) and they performed excellent. Watch this test of a truck running over different mags and the Magpul to get the idea.

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I think you would be fine with either. They both have their pros and cons. I have shot thousands of rounds through my AR and personally don't have jamming problems.

I was seriously considering both, but went with the AR because once the AKs are no longer available, I think replacement parts may become hard to find. Not to mention, it will be the caliber most likely used by opposing forces so availability should not be an issue. I also like the modularity of the AR. Lowers and Uppers can be swapped out, making it real easy to get a rifle back in action. That is the reason I also like .45 pistols, regardless of what happens, I think you will always be able to get parts and keep them going.

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Not so much "loose" as "RELIABLE." No worry about what super-lube you use or whether you're using lacquer coated steel ammo or match grade brass cartridges. No worry about whether the weapon is nice & squeaky clean, or just picked up from a mud puddle. Point & click.

The AK series of weapons just plain WORKS.

I'm not sure what you're talking about re: 25 yard "car-sized target". You've apparently never fired an AK.

If you forget the Ameri-centric viewpoint, you may see that the AK series of weapons is a solid, reliable tool. No, it's not a Perry match rifle, but it WORKS.

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Sorry I have not read the whole thread but after the 1st post thought I would look.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=115420194

I dont know the seller but thought it was a good deal.

On this price gouging I hate it when that happens ;)

You know it is the after election rush it will calm down IMHO

I think we should remember the gougers & dont feed them in the future. They are no friends of ours & just taking advantage of the market.

Good Luck

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Ok on this goughing stuff as most of you guys know I own a surplus and survival store and today we raised the price on our AR Mags we did have a few customers complain but this is what must be understood we cant find them in stock anywhere for a decent price

If I have to pay twice as much when I reorder than I have to charge twice as much now also If I up the price a little bit I wont sell out as quick and still have a few on the shelf for my customers yeh there going to pay a little more but it's there

Not to say that ripping people off is ok but if we cant restock an item then it doesnt matter what we paid for it the price is going to sky rocket

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This is a bull$hit post. You paid a fair price for these mags and you were charging a fair price.

You get scared. So now you screw your fellow man and charge an unfair price.

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Thanx for the Gun broker find.

Only thing is they want so much dam personal information just to ask a fricken question (CC#,Ph # etc.)

I am leary about handing out that info just to ask something:


How long you had it??

How many rounds fired??

what type of ammo used??


Much appreciated none the less.

T

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Decent buy on Govt. contract AR-15 mags...quantity discounts...6 mags for $86.70...EDIT: Thanks Wildcard ($14.45 each)

http://www.pkfirearms.com/store/get_...action=display

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Tough to say. My wife works at the airbase near here, with a bunch of active-duty and retired military folks, mostly officers. She came home with a bunch of questions from these guys about buying guns, since she's told them I have one or two laying around. These guys may have a revolver or a hunting rifle or shotgun at home, but now they want to know about getting some serious firepower and have no clue as to how what to get or how to get it. But they want it. It's not just hunters, shooters and collectors worried this time - now it's J6P, too.

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No problem buddy.
I know what you mean. They do ask a lot of Q's
I usually browse & also I have some pals who sell quite a bit there. ( not that gun tho I do not know that seller )

I will say though that you can tell a lot of the sellers are dealers & sometimes they have enough info in the ad to contact them without using the site. So in the future maybe that will help.

Good Luck!

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If it is one thing this drought has taught me is that........

There are a good many Americans who GET IT.

And have made up there mind that should Amercia go in to a "Long Goodnight" it will be filled with a "thousand point of light" (buck, buck. double tap, buck, buck)

T

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Wait a minute

I'm not screwing anybody we charged 10 bucks a mag last week I had 600 mags in stock (30rd AR used and new) by yesturday I had 30 mags left I called Centry and a couple other places and they said the only ones they had left were 7.00 bucks for the cheepest and 34 for the most expensive thats there wholesale price

Now if I ship them up here there going to cost me another 1.00 buck a mag to Alaska. So we upped the price to 15.00 I still have to pay rent and my employe's. Even at 15.00 I will make almost no profit

What a lot of people dont understand is for every item we sell we have to replace it with something else if we didnt we wouldnt be able to stay open what I buy something for has no bearing on what its worth what an item is worth is its replacement cost.

I give my customers the best deals in town and always have were still below evrybody else to the detriment of my pocket book.

I just thought you guys mite want to look at it from an owners perspective. I do not agree with raising the price just to screw somebody on the other hand I agree with raising prices to maintain inventory stock stability and lets not forget most gun shops / surplus stores are owned by regular folks not a huge company we still have to pay our mortgages and shop rent

Last if you dont like the price's open your own gd store pay the rent the lights the shipping the inventory tax the employee taxes heat, fuel, vehicle fees, credit lines, fire department inspection fees, accountant, payroll processing, insurance, maintanance, phones, and the other 8 million things that take every cent you make add to that a shortage and price increase on some of your best selling items and show me where you dont have to raise prices

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Hold on mississippi firearms has a 12 round mag that is coming out next month.

There will be not a shotgun on the market that will top that.


http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/i...roducts_id=369

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After 20+ shops I FINALLY hit paydirt!!!

And it looks absolute bad@$$ Bagged it for 399!!!

They still have a few around for those intrested........ This one has a longer barrel( accuracy increases) but still fires the same round.


http://www.classicarms.us/

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Nice looking rifle TA.

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Nice. FWIW... I read a gun blog a while back where they did testing on accuracy between the 16" and 20" Saigas and found that the 16" was more accurate. It has to do with the fact that the shorter barrel is thicker on average and less prone to vibration.

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Most likely, off hand, they both will shoot better than you or I will!

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Great! You'll have to give us a range report.

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Four of them available here for $557.16 each: http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=GIZ107. These are the 24" model.

RR Arms is a great company. They combine shipping if you order a handful.

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you da man TA. I am about to spring for one in 308 ifn I can find it.

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$548.28 - 6 available:

http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=GIZ138

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Sorry! I just thought about RRA today... I bought a bouquet of 7.62x39 Saigas from them for $275 each shipped back about a year ago. Unfortunately I didn't really like them as much as I'd hoped, and I sold them. It sholders awkwardly because of the Monte Carlo stock and rearward moved trigger.

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The price was actualy $247.25... $275 each was my total cost with shipping/FFL.

How could you forget so soon? You quoted me in this post dated 7/3/08: http://goldismoney.info/forums/showp...87&postcount=5

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CAUTION... it is berdan primed -- not reloadable.

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Here's my RPK that I bought from a local gun show about a year ago.
$756 out the door !

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/PICT1038.jpg

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Wlicard just found the same deal on ATG for the 1260 rounds.

Much easier to deal with and no dam headaches like mailing off personal information and signing disclamers.

Hat tip to WC!!!:ok:

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...mmo-click-here

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Saigas have a CAST-OFF buttstock for right handed shooters. They would be a bit awkward for lefties to shoot without installing a custom cast-on stock or at least an aftermarket straight one..

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They are gone as well.


T

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UNFREAKIN-BELIEVABLE !

This is right off the Homepage of Classic Arms :

TODAY IS FRIDAY 11/14/2008

DEAR FRIENDS- WE HAVE SO MANY PENDING ORDERS ON THE FLOOR THAT WE ARE IN DANGER OF OVERSELLING ON VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE. AS SUCH WILL DISCONTINUE ANSWERING THE PHONES OR TAKING ORDERS UNTIL WE CAN GET A CLEAR IDEA OF WHAT WE STILL ACTUALLY HAVE IN STOCK.

OUR PLAN IS TO WORK ALL WEEKEND TO GET CAUGHT UP AND THEN HOPEFULLY POST BACK UP THE ITEMS WE HAVE LEFT IN STOCK AND BEGIN TAKING ORDERS AGAIN ON MONDAY.

WE WILL HAVE 7.62X39 AMMO AND .223 AMMO AVAILABLE NEXT WEEK AS WELL AS SOME FIREARMS. EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN LIMBO.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

http://classicarms.us/

:confused_ma:

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lol That's insane. The gun control fanatics have actually helped get more guns in the hands of the public. The irony....

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Yeppers, we just made it ~ barely ~ HALLELUJAH !!!

http://jeffgoins.myadventures.org/bl...fe_on_edge.jpg

Thank you Lord, pass the Ammunition. :coolbeer: :ok:

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One of my babies just touched today............ I pick it up tommarow!!!

:ok:

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i wonder what the new prices for guns and ammo will be next week once the sellers all restock? my bet is at least a 20% price hike across the board.

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Unfortunately I am one of those who left shopping till now.
( I had a hell of a year )
Sure I have a couple small things but I was about to get the AR & the 12ga
I will find it but it may cost more now. But I will find it :ok:

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The bad news: Prices on arms and ammunition have gone up, no telling when they will come back down, if ever.

The good news: American citizens are now much better armed than they were 2 weeks ago.

The unknown: Will American citizens actually put these arms to good use when the time comes?

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http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/sorrywalkin.jpg

http://www.aimsurplus.com/

:confused_ma: .....ohhh and AK's locally at the show were selling for $700-$750 with the least expensive AR's for $1100-$1200.

:36_1_63:

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spare parts are really drying up. Looked for a few spare parts kits, and bolt carrier groups for the AR's and nothing is in stock anywhere.

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From the front page of classic arms.......... strange days have found us.



THERE ARE SOME IMPORTANT THINGS GOING ON IN THE INDUSTRY. I KNOW THE FOLLOWING IS WORDY BUT READING IT MAY HELP YOU DECIDE WHETHER TO BUY NOW.

OKAY - HERE IS THE DEAL

LAST WEEK WE SOLD OUT VIRTUALLY TO THE BARE WALLS. WE HAD A TON OF INVENTORY LAID IN AND STOCKPILED IN ANTICIPATION OF THE PANIC BUYING THAT WOULD BE CREATED BY THE ELECTION. IT SIMPLY WAS NOT ENOUGH. IF IT SHOOTS OR HOLDS ROUNDS OF AMMO IT PRETTY MUCH LEFT HERE LAST WEEK.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT.

AROUND WEDNESDAY OF LAST WEEK WE CHANGED OUR FOCUS FROM SELLING, TO TRYING TO BEG, BUY AND SCROUNGE ANYTHING WE COULD PURCHASE. IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT. MOST OF THE INDUSTRY IS EITHER OUT OF SEMI-AUTO FIREARMS, MAGS, AND AMMO, OR THEY HAVE PUSHED THE PRICE WAY UP IN ORDER TO SLOW SALES AND KEEP FROM BEING WHERE WE BASICALLY ARE NOW. SOLD OUT TO THE BARE WALLS. THE LARGEST IMPORTER IN THE COUNTRY AS OF LAST MONDAY HAS SUSPENDED SALES OF ALL OF THEIR HI-CAPACITY MAGAZINES AND RAISED PRICES ON ENTIRE CLASSES OF FIREARMS BY 25% TO 40% ACROSS THE BOARD. THE PRICE INCREASE IS REALLY IRREVALENT HOWEVER AS THEY HAVE NO AVAILABLE QUANTITIES ON ANY OF THESE FIREARMS.

LET ME GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE.
IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF THIS YEAR, ( JULY THRU OCTOBER )
WE SOLD THE FOLLOWING
7.62X39 AMMO................361 CASES
AK 30 RD MAGS.....................................783
AK RIFLES (ALL TYPES ) .........................243

BY COMPARISON, IN THE 10 DAYS SINCE THE ELECTION WE HAVE SOLD

7.62X39 AMMO................1218 CASES
AK 30 RD MAGS.....................................3855
AK RIFLES (ALL TYPES ) .........................572
THAT IS IN ADDITION TO THE AR RIFLES, GOLANI RIFLES, TANTALS, AND OTHER FIREARMS THAT HAVE ALSO SOLD LIKE WILDFIRE.
SOME OF OUR LARGER DEALER CUSTOMERS HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTING TO PLACE ORDERS FOR HUNDREDS OF FIREARMS WITH US WHEN WE ONLY HAD DOZENS IN STOCK.

WE ARE VERY SMALL AND THESE ARE HUGE NUMBERS FOR US. WE WOULD HAVE SOLD MORE TOO EXCEPT WE SIMPLY COULD NOT ANSWER ALL THE CALLS, AND THEN WE SOLD OUT.

THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE HAD SOME SUCCESS IN BUYING. WE PURCHASED PRODUCT ANYWHERE WE COULD FIND IT WITHOUT MUCH REGARD FOR THE PRICE. IT WAS ALL WE KNEW TO DO. IT WAS EITHER THAT OR BE SOLD OUT AND CLOSE THE DOORS.

WE ARE POSTING BELOW THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR SALE. SOME OTHER ITEMS WILL BE COMING ON BOARD OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS AND WE WILL POST THEM UP AS THEY ARRIVE. THE PRICES ARE HIGHER . I CAN'T APOLIGIZE FOR THAT. IN MOST CASES WE ARE PAYING MORE AND MAKING LESS. IF YOU NEED THESE ITEMS AND CAN FIND THEM FOR LESS ELSEWHERE, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET THEM.

I HOPE AGAINST HOPE THAT THIS MARKET WILL LEVEL BACK OUT SOON, BUT WITH BANS AND RESTCTIONS BEING ONE OF THE PRIMARY STATED GOALS OF THIS NEW ADMINISTRATIONS I JUST DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING.

http://www.classicarms.us/

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Damn, that wording says a lot...........this is freakin' nutz.

Thanks for the post TA ! ~ and in my Score, gun show report I added pics of my FAL now becoming more valuable every minute !!!

:coolbeer:

Here's a link to my New FAL rifle pics >>> http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=322873

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And BEHOLD ~ my AK arrived Today !!! :565:


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q.../DSCF01181.jpg

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Guns will soon triple in price - OBAMA (HE {GOD} is with US)
is the fellow coming to the old white house.

:565::565::565::565:

There goes the BILL OF RIGHTS after the Second Falls.

:signs14::signs14:

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With all the talk of Saiga 12. I just thought i'd post my Benelli m4.
It's a mean son of a bleep... 7 in the tube +1 in the chamber.
Plety of firepower to clear a room. I took it out today, to shoot some of this old ammo up. It's gotta be at least 30 years old.. It shot great, no jams or misfires. My shoulder hates me now, but it was worth it.. It's a fun gun, I found a few old refrigirators to shoot at..:banana:

As much as I hate to do it. I might just have to start shopping for a Springfield Armory m1a, Socom16. I need some leads on once fired 308 brass. Any help would be great!!!! If i'm going to have to stay in america, I might as well be ready for the bull$hit that's guaranteed to erupt in the next few years.

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Bought a new rifle yesterday from a in state gun dealer.

He said nothing going on local but internet sale were good.

We average in this state 4 guns per house.

I guess most people here do not need a new gun?

I wanted this kind of rifle for years and the one I wanted was stolen from its owner (I just found out) and I knew then I better get one now as they are kind of rare. He has cancer and I thought I would get his sooner or later.

I was blessed that this dealer just bought a collection of these rifles and he had not yet sold them all.

I found him looking for this rifle the day I heard the rifle was stolen at gunbrokers.com.

I was there the next night and got a better looking rifle than the one I wanted.

It is sweet!!

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I had 4 firearms stolen in a burglary from my home in Dec. 2006. The finest was a DPMS Panther LR308, 24" stainless bull barrel, with 4 19-rnd mags, Rock River trigger, a Sightron 3-12x scope, A Burris Red Dot, Warne detachable mounts, Harris bipod, drag bag, etc.

I dream that one day I will be contacted that they found just one of my stolen guns. It took me 3 weeks to meet the detective assigned to the case, then they acted like I was a drug using survivalist nutcase, not a victim. Police were worse than uselss and yet I told them who did it, gave them a TON of strong circumstantial evidence -- but he got away like they did not care, only to be busted for stealing a car, unrelated and by chance, just 4 months later. All the guns are still 'out there'.

Oh well, i've STILL GOT MY ROMY AK, with a chinese and a Bulgarian 75-round mags all for $550 on Gunbroker.com 3 years ago. Never ever jams, hits soup cans at 100yds just fine... I stocked 4,000 7.6x39 rounds too at those old prices, some are the chinese mild steel cores ... It's all solid value, a better investment than silver in that time I'm surprised to say, but Barack is the reason I guess. The winds of change ... but "an ill wind blows no good."

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How the hell do you get your stuff so quick AD???


Dam.


T

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Not strange at all. The walk-in counter at AIM is just that - a sales counter, with maybe a 6 ft x 15 ft entryway attached to it. The person taking care of the walk-in customers (some of whom may just be "tire thumpers" wasting the sales person's time) has to answer the customers' questions, wait till they finish diddling with (inspecting) the weapon, write up the order, then walk back to the warehouse to either retrieve the weapon, or pass on the sales info for case quantity ammo purchases to their warehouse/shipping people. You then pick up your case (or 2 or 3 or...) of ammo at their overhead door shipping dock.

If you think about it from AIM's standpoint, their employee is tied up handling what is normally VERY SMALL volume orders. That same employee, on the other hand, could be processing larger volume mail orders, or helping to take care of backorders.

I been a walk-in & mail order customer at AIM for about 10 years. I've always felt that the availability of walk-in service is a nice touch. Given the current business environment, they may no longer be able to afford this "nice touch." I hope that when things settle back down, they'll reopen the counter.

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Ahhhhhhhhhhh That makes sense now.


I just assumed that folks walking in knew what they wanted.... I forgot about the "tire kickers and chain pullers"

Rather than chewing up time with a "potential sale" these workers could be processing "actual sales".

Thanks for the clarifcation:ok::ok::ok:

T

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:RockOn: TA !

Here locally it's going for $6 per box of 20 if available.........what did you pay if ya don't mind ?

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No....no........ I meant my Sagia Rifle


Hell, if it was ammo I would have picked it today!!

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CONGRATS brothah !

:553::565::553: :coolbeer: :emotions16:

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I've been afraid to buy any 'assault rifle' because the gov is so hyper about them and I did not want to go on some dam list. Same reason I did not get a concealed weapon permit. Hunting type long guns (12 ga is pretty effective defense) and mostly 38 handguns.

But now that so many people need cash bad, I might buy one from a local individual. I know they are worlds better than hunting guns if things get really bad.

We've been using our laser grips to improve our handgun accuracy. I was aiming about a foot low and 6 inches to the left, over and over, but I don't use the sights at all. Dad taught us to shoot handguns by feel, kind of like batting, and I used to be a lot better at it. But it has been a lot of years since I shot much, and I'd better make sure the laser is telling me the truth at the range. When Dad would take us out in the desert to learn I could hit my milkjug targets fast. You had to practice till you could was his standard. He believed if you really needed to use your handgun you didn't have time for the FBI pose.

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Dang TA, that thing is wicked looking. Someone could be injured just looking at that thing. Sweet.

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No, only the ALL black rifles can injure people,

The wood renders this one as a 'safe' model.

:sarcasm:

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LOL AD

Quick question: I see the acronym EWB being tossed around ...what dose it stand for ???


T

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AWB = Assault Weapons Ban

EBR = Evil Black Rifle

Not sure on EWB but Evil Weapons Ban sounds appropriate.

:wink:

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Just be sure to get in lots of practice with your opposite hand. (I'm right handed but for some reason shoot better with my left. Not sure where that two hands on your handgun even came from.)

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TThanx AD

It was EBR

T

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And for the Newbies, here's the Ultimate EBR in my book !

http://files.turbosquid.com/Preview/...c183bLarge.jpg

:s15: :ok:

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It makes it easier to control the recoil as well as making it easier to aim. Overall it just gives you better control over every aspect of the tool. There is almost always a good reason that professionals do things the way that they do.

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UNFREAKIN-BELIEVABLE !

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We have witnessed the. end of a era.

The days of easy gun owner ship are gone and gone for good.

Buckle up............it gets real bumpy from here on in.

T

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Not for me. Always did better with one hand. Plus if one hand/arm is injured, occupied, etc., then what do you do?

As for professionals, eh. We had lots of pros in The Corps�as long as the target was stationary and not shooting back.

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"I got 2 guns - ONE for each of you."

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/im...ne-Posters.jpg

"I'm you're Huckleberry......"

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I am going to be picking up some good deals 99.99% of people buying guns are using their credit cards.

easy pickens when the bills start coming in, I see it on gun forums already.

guy not to far from me had a .357 for sale need cash ASAP for $400 I emailed him and 2 hours later meet him on a dirt road gave him $150 cash.

picked up a lot of my guns that way. and will be picking up shit load more.

show me a person that has debts and I will show you how I will get their guns for 30 cents on the dollar.

only fools have debt

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Sounds like you and Mtman may be cousins

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Interesting, thanks for that, I guess it stands to reason that some people would shoot better with one hand. Don't get me wrong , I practice one handed as well as off hand shooting. I just feel that for me personally if I want to make a precision shot you can bet I will have two hands on the gun.

Personally of all the training videos I have watched I have never seen the instructor advise one handed shooting. I have also never read this in a online training guide, everything seems to advise shooting with both hands on the gun. Now, they do advocate training with one-handed shooting both strong and off hand but nothing like the type of training that you supposedly should put into two-handed shooting.

:beer:

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Years ago, I was on the College pistol team. Competition required one handed shooting with your other hand behind your back. I'm sure this originated from dueling centuries ago when Gentlemen would square off against each other. It's surprisingly difficult at first to keep steady but you also learn to 'rest' in between shots. It's great training and improves your aiming ability greatly. :wink:

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Clyde Armory is your friend. All glock models are in stock.
https://policeguns.com/catalog/index...u5for6lvcef206

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768 Glocks on Gunbroker now
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.asp
Many of these guys are dealers with phone numbers listed so you need not even register to buy.

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Thanks fellas!!!


T

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He has Glocks listed for under 400 bucks........


Wow!!!


T

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Hmm. They usually keep up with the stock status! Thanks for the info. Guns are on the edge of priceless (and ammo, parts, accessories). I got a case of 00 buck and some 870 magazine tube springs delivered today. Feels good to get my hands on something, because if you don't hold it...!

More glock hi cap mags on order. Still searching the whole country for an FN SLP shotgun .

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Hey not to change the subject but...... Whats up with the 870 mag springs? Do they wear pretty quick or??
Just curious as I just got the 870 yesterday.
Thanks

As for prices yeah things are crazy but at the same time seems like things are pulling back a bit. The price gouging is slowing a bit & I am seeing more NIB stuff for sale.
Looks like many over bought & now want some $$$ back?
Not sure but I am glad the AR's I wanted was out. Turns out I am getting one built by a custom builder ( he is flush with the parts too )for a price so good I cannot believe it. Will post pics & specs when done.

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Post that information on the guy...........some one out there may be in the market for one and that idea had not crossed there mind.

Please share.


T

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I have seen different timeframes quoted from 6-12 months on changing them out if you are keeping the shotgun magazine loaded all the time, if it is your main home defense weapon.

I keep mine unloaded, but picked up a couple extra since I am trying to create spare parts kits for all my guns.

midwayusa.com had the springs.

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TA,

Summit is listing G17s and may have other models as well. This fellow buys PD surplus and returns as well as new firearms . I have delt with with him before twice and been very satisfied. Worth a shot.

Good luck.

http://www.summitgunbroker.com/index.html

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There was a lot of speculation. People were buying mags, rifles, etc. to turn around for a profit.

Some may not be aware that buying a gun with the express intent to sell it (FTF) could be considered a straw purchase, or dealing, and the BATF probably won't look kindly upon that.

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DING!! DING!! DING!!


I am in Jersey and I was on the Turnpike I swear every fourth billboard was plastered with the same message

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It's amazing how many people (those who aren't "gun nuts") think there are no laws around this stuff.

A few months ago, there was an arrest dealing with a sawed-off shotgun, and I explained to a friend why they were regulated, etc. He seemed incredulous on all the regulations and process.

Take the profit motive, and throw in all the people who prefer to buy a gun "paperless", and I expect to see a lot of Feds staying busy.

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I will as soon as I get the spec sheet & the final quote.
I dont want to endorse till 100%

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I bought my used Glock 19 from summitgundealer. I think I paid $425 total, with shipping, FFL transfer, etc.

Its a 2nd gen gun with nightsights and came with 2 (15 round) mags. This was probably 6 months or so ago.

He definitely is a reputable dealer. (and a bad speller!)

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Here is a nice deal from summitgunbroker

http://www.summitgunbroker.com/Remington_870_AOW.html

Remington 870 with 14 inch barrel and pistol grip. Also listed as AOW so only $5 tax stamp instead of $200 for SBR.

$625, brand new.

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Some cool stuff on their site. I want something like this.

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Congrats & glad you got what you were looking for. I was the one that mentioned that about the dealers on gunbroker
That is what I do also. There are a ton of them there.
Sometimes their name is the website or like you saw their numbers is in the listing.
Congrats again ....Have Fun!

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LOL thanks but I could use brass more right now :wink:
Glad you made out. Post pics when you get your new family members

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What model #'s make up the family? I'm a G21 and G30 person. Thinking of getting a 36, or maybe a second 21 and 30.

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Nice. My first handgun was a G21, I got good with it, and never really got into anything else but 45's.

Glocks are my favorite, and the best gun is the one you are proficient with.

Enjoy!

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If someone is looking for Saiga 12's there are 2 at the ammo box in Sun Prairie WI outside Madison for 639.
They also just got in a Barrett XM107 for 9999.

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That is not a bad price........they were going for 599 but I seen some as high as 899 on Gunbroker.

Good info to pass along :ok:

T